Professor Jerry Coyne asks this question while pretending to ignore me, and I assume he means it can be answered, and that the answer is a loud and obvious No: that religion, as the source of the world’s ugliness and ills, cannot possibly have given us doubt. Religion gives us faith–the opposite of reason–as everybody knows.
The previous post on martyrdom may raise Mr Coyne’s question indirectly.
A number of people, mainly the cheering squad for Team Gnu, suggested that I was wrong and that atheists have too been murdered as atheists. That may or may not be true; the evidence (which is more on the order of information) looks highly problematical to me and the source cited–the New Encyclopaedia of Unbelief, is far from a disinterested or trusted resource for finding out. When the Team finally settles whether they don’t need martyrs or do but want to call them something else I’m sure they will be in touch.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter since martyrdom and murder are not the same thing. To analogize: martyrdom is to murder as baptism is to bath. The key difference is that martyrdom can only happen when a church (medieval Rome and Calvin’s Geneva or the whole of Byzantion or the Islamic Middle East will do) or a state, where edicts of the church have the force of law (no good modern Western examples), can be judicially enforced.
Martyrdom is not murder; in context, pathetic though the context may be, it is the execution of justice. Thomas More is a martyr becausehe was sentenced to death by Parliament, not because he was murdered in his sleep for holding treasonous opinions. (He wasn’t.) If Gnus really care about the meaning of words and not just using them for stones, they might begin with this distinction.
But the cases that were cited, ranging from the posthumously burned John Wycliffe and the “heretics” William Tyndale, Miguel Servetus, and the completely incomprehensible Giordano Bruno–none of them atheists and all of them judicially executed when the term martyrdom could be applied by one side or another in a struggle against an oppressive Church, or specific repressive doctrines–does tell us something about “doubt.” It tells us that they were put to death for doubting, for skepticism ab0ut the doctrines of their religion. So yes, clearly: religion gives us doubt. It’s certainly given us scores of doubters.
And they aren’t the first. The first time Christianity comes into contact with the term “atheist” is when the Christians themselves were derided as atheists. Justin Martyr and Tertullian both write “apologies” in the second and early third century defending themselves against the term. “Hence, we (Christians) are called atheists. And we confess that we are atheists, so far as the gods are concerned.” (Justin, First Apol., ca. 167).
Plainly, the accusation comes from their doubts about the existence of the Roman pantheon. So when Richard Dawkins confidently proclaims that we are all “atheists” with respect to the majority of gods who have ever existed, it begins here–with Jews and Christians. It begins with doubts about the tales and myths propagated by their Roman hosts. –And just for the record, neither Tertullian nor Justin fits the description of local yokels that Celsus and Porphyry tried to pin on the Christians.
We can quibble (and should) over what the term atheist might have meant that long ago. A fairly substantial body of scholars feels that atheism in the sense of rejecting the existence of God doesn’t achieve its modern proportions prior to the encyclopaedist Holbach’s rejection of the idea of gods in the eighteenth century. But that conclusion, along with strata like like “positive,” “negative,” weak and strong (old and gnu?) atheisms are just intellectual squares in a bigger picture.
If you put the picture together from its fractious bits, it looks like doubt has a significant amount to do with its coherence. To get from a lawyer-apologist like Tertullian to an atheist-materialist like Holbach is a long trip, and it is peppered (just like I said) by the death-scenes of dozens of martyrs (yup, that word again) who coaxed doubt and skepticism along–people who were called godless by others but would never have used the term about themselves.
Does it seem improbable to the New Atheists that a full-frontal atheist like Holbach, so explicit in his denunciation of religion that his view even frightened Voltaire, wouldn’t have known the long history of heresies about the trinity, the nature of God, creation, biblical inspiration, and particular revelation? Or will this continue to be a blind-spot in the essentially ahistorical view that they’re professing–one that, frankly cheapens the history of ideas and thus their own, big, negative idea about God? It would be pretty rare, I think, to discover a view that is free of historical development, predecessors, and mediators.
Do they really intend to continue spinning historical fantasies that are not only wrong but embarrassing.
One of Professor Dawkins’s favorite talking points about faith-heads is that religion is their “default position.” Weak in science, they can explain everything including the origins of the cosmos and life on the planet through the legerdemain of beliefs that take the place of hard science.
I couldn’t agree more with the diagnosis.
But surely a big part of the ignorance afflicting faithheads is that they do not study history: They make it up, or they rely on a few convenient truths that they find useful in protecting their faith. One such view is that history is negotiable and about things that happened a long time ago, so there is no real right or wrong–just viewpoints. They see the time of Jesus and the modern world as overlapping periods punctuated but not punctured by science and critical history.
I personally find this tendency the most distressing, head-banging feature of the fundamentalist mindset.
And what does New Atheism do with the fantasies of faith-heads? They create an alternate fantasy in which the history of religion becomes a caricature of intellectual and ethical developments: a static church with undifferentiated teaching about a God who is entombed in a book that has never been interpreted, challenged, attacked–or doubted. It’s pure drivel. Why do they do this? because it’s convenient; because it has become their default position.
It would be a huge tragedy if the wishful thinking of some atheists became a template for understanding where doubt comes from. It doesn’t come like Meals on Wheels from Sextus Empiricus and covens of atheists who managed to survive the onslaught of “religion” and the “Dark Ages” in caves above Heidelberg. It comes like everything else from the cultures that we have shaped.
In none of these cultures has anything like the 4% (or whatever minuscule number) of hardcore atheists been influential in moving doubt and irreligion forward against the thundering tide of dominant religious orthodoxies. That role, as I’ve already said, has been taken by men and women of terrific stamina, courage and imagination. And doubt.
Doubt has everything to do with religion, Professor Coyne.
Very good article, just a shame it had to be written I suppose. It’s true from beginning to end and for Christians I know, faith without doubt isn’t faith at all. In fact even critical historical scholarship itself isn’t entirely honest if it doesn’t allow refutation and concede a degree of doubt with the belief that one has done the best one could. Suspicion of all belief, as Lord Polonius says: Doubt thou the stars are fire, ‘Doubt thou the stars are fire; Doubt that the sun doth move; Doubt truth to be a liar; But never doubt I love.’
Sad, that no one amongst the Gnus seems to have read Ebeling, or Whitehead, or Ernst Bloch.
Sad yes, and that matters. Relevant scholarship matters.
Or William James, Walt Whitman, or Jiddu Krishnamurti
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How does Epicurus fit into this picture? Okay, technically he was some sort of polydeist, but his stand against the Greek pantheon of gods was pretty impressive really (albeit apart from the odd swerve he was largely recycling Democritus).
Also, the whole shift in early Judaism from polytheism to monotheism has to be in here somewhere, I reckon. Not that I know anything about it!
Yeah, Epicurus became an insult term for Jews and Christians, then a name Christian called their heretics. Ataraxia seems to have taught that the gods did not dole out pain or reward, and were basically useless,making the ppy highly unsuitable for Christians.
Whtever you have in mind that the Gnus have not read of Ebeling, I do know his thinking on the apostolic witness to the jesus of history. His thoughts are the thoughts of Hans Dieter Betz -this I can guarantee. For both the apostolic witness is the Sermon on the Mount. Betz writes: “This source presents us with an early form – deriving from the (Jesus Movement) – of the (Jesus trdition) as a whole, which had direct inks to the teaching of the historical Jesus and thus constituted an alternative to Gentile Christianity as known above all from the letters of Paul and the Gospels. as well as later writings of the New Testament. An image of Jesus is revealed which is entirely different from that of the synoptic tradition and its Gentile Christian redactors.(Essays on the Sermon on the Mount).” Here we have the answer to the Jesus puzzle, beyond the doubt associated with traditional Christianity.
Ebeling wasn’t the first, but maybe the most ardent spokesman for doubt being essential for any “decision” made with regard to faith. He sees it as a Pauline wager.
No. Religion did not give us doubt, simply more cause for it.
Cows create the need for milk?
A basis for the above claim that Ebeling’s thought agrees with the thought of Betz: “- – the author is indebeted to a large number of colleagues– – too many to be named here. Some however, must be mentioned by name. Gerhard Ebeling, to whom the volume is dedicated, has been a friend and wise counselor during the years when the essays were worked out”. See Ebeling”s: The Word of God and Tradition.
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I do keep the straw in my basement. Technically, I can’t be the straw man.
I read MacDonald’s post. It’s clear he’s ignored or hasn’t read the relevant scholarship and hasn’t considered the content of this post at all. It’s interesting that he describes his former ‘conservative’ Christian experience, obviously formative for his current convictions. I get the impression that many new atheists have come from a fundamentalist belief, which held evidence, argument and critical scholarship in contempt. Then they convert to disbelief and continue to hold evidence, argument and critical scholarship in contempt, from an opposite perspective – effectively ‘batting’ for the other side. MacDonald is not just unaware of relevant scholarship – he is unaware obviously of the variety of beliefs and doubts of ordinary Christian believers. The commenters are – unhelpful – indescribable really.
There isn’t enough I can say abut this particular player.
@Steph Macdonald is the poster boy for angry village atheist. Having a bad religious experience is no more excuse for being obnoxious than getting faith is an excuse for religious zealotry. -And no, he doesn’t read’ he’s too busy phlegming.
Such a poor model, lacking in substance. Like an empty pudding bowl waiting for a pudding.
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